Theories

This page is dedicated to all of the Predictions and different theories I have received.  If you want to add something to this page you can e-mail me at kingoflimbs2@gmail.com

Received via email on 05-04-2011

 

Hey Josh.  I love the site and really appreciate all the hard work you put into it.  I love seeing new updates, I get excited even though Ed told us there would be no Part 2.
That being said……I started reading Wild: An Elemental Journey because Jay Griffiths contributed to the Universal Sigh.  Then Ed tells us no part 2.  Then he tells us to read this book.
Well, the book is broken up into elements, Earth, Ice, Water, Fire, Air and Mind. I am only in the first part, Earth, but it is all about being in the wilderness surrounded by trees.  She makes mention of “feral”, “taking root”, “Yggdrasil” the final destiny of the gods (which is Ragnorok), The tree of life.  She makes several references to things that “Bloom” and also to Old Norse mythology, which inspired almost all of the names for the inner art on the vinyl and cd (i.e. Axis Mundi, Ragnorok, Yggdrasil)
Reading the first section of this book is kind of like listening to the King of Limbs.
I hate to keep a conspiracy alive if there is in fact nothing to it.  But after reading Stanley say the album is transitory and then Ed’s suggestion to read this book.  It all kind of feels like the first chapter in a 6 chapter book.
I just wanted you to know about the connections between the 2 if you hadn’t already been told.
Thanks again for your efforts, they are not in vain.
Praying there is a part 2, and so on….
Adam

Received via email on 04-05-2011

 

If they already released the tkol on one 12″ vinyl, why would they later on break it out to two 10″ vinyls? Its not easier to produce, its not cheaper for them, it’s not better quality. Its clearly more space for two more songs. Otherwise you keep it to one vinyl. Look at it also from a financial aspect – I can get the vinyl and physical cd right now for $22. The newspaper album is more than double that. You are going to get more than 8 songs and artwork for that markup.

Also why do they have different release dates of the newspaper album based on when you preordered it?

Something for you to think about from a logistics and financial point of view.

 

Part 2-

One other point I wanted to call to your attention:

All the radiohead albums have had at least 6 B-side songs in addition to the songs studio album, except for Kid A, which you can look at Amnesiac as its B-Sides.  Kid A and Amnesiac were done in the studio at the same time.  And all those albums were at least 10 songs and 42 minutes vs. 8 songs and 37 minutes (however I know that thom said recently that he only wanted to do EPs from now on) B Sides for some of radiohead’s studio albums include:
for Amnesiac, I believe you had: Amazing Sounds of Orgy, Worrywort, Fog, Kinetic, Fast-Track, Trans-Atlantic Drawl, and Cuttooth
for Ok Computer, I believe you had: Bishop’s Robes, Pearly, How I made my millions, lull, meeting in the aisle, a reminder, polythylene, melatonin, and palo alto.

For In Rainbows, you had:  down is the new up, go slowly, last flower to the hospital, up on the ladder, banger and mash, 4 minute warning, and mk1 and mk2 if you count those as songs.

Part 3-

just want to point out some things that people may have missed.  I think people are focusing on reading between the lines in interviews, when they should focus on the the logistics of the decision from a financial standpoint.  this is a huge band and they have a cd and they want to make a profit on releasing this album.

also, another thing to keep in mind:  businesses make more money from individuals when you dont give them perfect information (such as a track list, even though thom has said they dont want to do LPs anymore).  the more informed your customers are, the more likely they will make rational decisions.  Music is very much a different business model from say Apple, but they use the same principles: you need to tap into some kind of mystery to build up conversation and hype of it.  Apple and Radiohead do that very well.  They have great reputations – iPhone, iPod, iPad, OK Computer, Kid A, etc etc. So they are selling King of Limbs based on their reputation.  If this was any other band that didnt have this reputation, none of this would be happening because no one would care – ie the universal sigh. So again, to get their music in as many hands as possible, hype up the release by differentiating it from artists (pay what you want, release it in one week with no notice, universal sigh, etc) and by having all this stuff that sounds “unplanned” builds excitement – like you said “if they did it like everyone else, it would be boring”.  Dont be mistaken, Radiohead knows exactly what they are doing.  And by not telling us, they are doing it well. This “mystery theory” works especially well in pre-order scenarios, but look at stuff like Apple Iphone for verizon.  How long did we hear about that?  Apple had a deal with AT&T and it finally ended.  But the hype built up and people bought the phones when they were released on verizon even though a new one is likely to come out a couple of months later – thats called irrational behavior and radiohead is making a killing on it.
give you one last scenario:  say i bought the mp3 or wav file because i didnt know what was included in the high priced newspaper package and i wanted right when it was released (another good plan – hard core fans want it as soon as possible and you can make a lot of money on that).  now say the newspaper album is released and there is a whole another album. so now I gotta go buy the newspaper album if they dont released the second album because i bought the first one without the newspaper album.  so now they made the money off the newspaper album, plus i just bought the king of limbs again.
same thing DMB did with big whiskey that I pointed out.  you cant get the bonus songs unless you bought the super deluxe.  but in radiohead they up the ante, they havent said what exactly is in the newspaper album, so if you think there will be more songs in it, you better get it.  irrational behavior, hard core fans, and mystery is selling that newspaper album, not anything else.

Jason from Washington, DC

 

 

Received in the form of a comment on 04-08-2011

 

interesting that in all those translated versions, only the one in Japan was a different edition

the image of the intertwining branches, the couple hand in hand in the background, forms the X figure, which reminds me of the recurence of Xs in Radiohead imagery and lyrics
- Hail to the Thief : Where I End And You Begin (X’ll mark the place, like a parting of the waves)

- In Rainbows : the ‘Xurbia Xendless’ artwork(s)

Treasure spot somewhere? =P just rambling…

But we also chatted a bit with @inkybrown and @ElMuggs on the topic of that special edition: eg. why this tree+couple artwork in place of “Sell your house and buy gold”?

We were theorizing over the fact that maybe, the short story by Stanley Donwood was a bit too sinister and apocalyptic to deliver it just yet to the people in Japan, considering what they’ve been through… So, self-censorship out of respect, or out of fear that they’d stop selling if their japanese fans didn’t like the newspaper?

I’ve been thinking about it. I don’t think I buy into the theory of a special edition simply because of the unfortunate events in Japan… Modifying an issue like that? These things A LOT OF TIME.

You need only to pore over Donwood’s blog to realize just how much time it makes JUST to make one print, correct it and everything. And these artworks (I’m refering to Divided Woods/Bad Woods/Work on Paper, etc) are due before may, which is the deadline for when they’ll start shipping it.

I’m thinking more like this. As strange, as coincidental as it might seem, there’s no issue of self-censorship, Radiohead has most probably planned a whole list of special events in Japan related to TKOL, like the first broadcasting of the “Lotus Flower” video in Shibuya, the special “TheUniversalSigh” site based in Japan, etc.

Your thoughts?

From Adrien in Paris

 

 

Received via email on 4-05-2011

Hi Josh,
I think Reed from Michigan got the point.
I’ve read all the clues from Chieftan Mews and Aporia and they seem to be always related to the tree’s genesis, from seed to leaves.
In the TKOL’s cover we have a couple which has been inspired by Munch’s paint “Amor and Psyche”.
Aporia posted this following message: “If we are a metaphor of the universe, the human couple is the metaphor par excellence, the point of intersection of all forces and the seed of all forms. The couple is time recaptured, the return to the time before time. [OP]“. And Chieftan Mews said that the King is the King Of Limbs and the all others are like soldiers, likewise the heart tells to the bodyparts to move.

I’m now thinking that TKOL is the heart, the couple, “the seed of all forms” (look at the Arbor Philosophica in TKOL artwork…).

“Leaves fall & then grow again. From the same branches. The sounds they make can change too.” (Chieftan Mews). I think this sentence is fundamental:

We can have two different scenes from it:

1) TKOL = trunk + branches + leaves = tree

- “from the same branches”: he’s talking about TKOL’s branches. TKOL has 8 songs = 8 branches (and yeah…the seed of TKOL has been These Are My Twisted Words)
- “leaves”: are the “seed” which came up from TKOL and which will give new life to the tree
- “The sounds they make can change too”: this new life will make TKOL’S branches sound differently

“Leaves fall & then grow again. From the same branches. The sounds they make can change too.”

Now that TKOL has been released (“leaves fall”) we’ll soon have another LP (“& grow again”) which will be thematically and structurally related to TKOL (“from the same branches”) and which will sound different from TKOL (“The sounds they make can change too”)

2) TKOL = tree trunk

- “from the same branches”: he’s talking about TKOL’s branches. I don’t know how many branches has The real King Of Limbs (3 or 4 I guess). The first one was These Are My Twisted Words (one song). The second one will be “Supercollider/The Butcher” (2 songs). I think the third one will have 3 songs and the fourth one 4 songs.
- “leaves”: are the “seed” around the tree trunk (TKOL)
- “The sounds they make can change too”: the sound of these (…3,4?) branches will be different from each one

“Leaves fall & then grow again. From the same branches. The sounds they make can change too.”

We will see the TKOL’s branches in bloom (“Leaves fall & then grow again. From the same branches”) and each one will have a different sound (“The sounds they make can change too”).

Thank you for your attention,

Stefano from Italy

Received by email on 4-4-2011

Hey! Love the site! Check it everyday! Good work!

After reading the theory you just posted about trees and branches on Fake Plastic Tunes…I came up with this:

Just a thought…

Instead of steadily releasing several branches (such as releasing songs in 2′s starting with Supercollider/The Butcher), I don’t think it’s out of the question to call Suppercollider/The Butcher the “primary branches” from which other branches grow off of. If the theory about “These Are My Twisted Words” being the seed is correct, then it would imply a continuous outward growth. In other words, I think a trees branches grow exponentially instead of simply two-by-two.

People have theories about a second album coming out, perhaps “the queen of diamonds” based on the ims menoo referencing “he is and she is.” I think this second album may be either the collection of branches OR it could be the “leaves” or “fruit” on the end of the branches. A tree is more than just branches; trees are meant to produce.

In this way, perhaps the next release after SuperCollider/The Butcher will consist of four songs (2 x 2). And perhaps the release after that will consist of eight songs (4 x 2). This release could likely be the second album, as it would match up very well with the 8 tracks of TKOL.

 


That’s all I got. Keep up the good stuff!

- Reed from Grand Rapids, Michigan

 

Received by email on 3-30-2011

Hey Josh,

To me, people are picking apart clues and speculating WHETHER more music coming on soon.  More music IS coming.  To me it is an absolute certainty.  You are right that the album is incomplete.

To my knowledge,

Lotus Flower
Give Up the Ghost
Separator

have only been performed by Thom alone.  Right?

Even Supercollider has been played by Thom alone.

Codex is pretty much derived from Thom on piano.

Feral is could easily have been a b-side on one of the earlier EPs.   Etc.

I’m not saying the songs aren’t great.  But they are not pure Radiohead.  People want to talk about how there is still a lot of guitar work on King of Limbs.  Come on!  Radiohead has changed from album to album, but one thing that never changed is that they are a band with three guitar players.  From Pablo Honey to In Rainbows, they have always been heavy on guitar even though the sounds have evolved.  Go back and take a listen.  And just listen to Twisted Words (a song with 3 guitars)(artwork from King of Limbs).

It’s obvious.  It’s not if, it’s when.  The proof is King of Limbs itself!

I personally think the next big release will come out in a big chunk.

Love your site by the way.
Ehren

 

Received by email on 3-28-2011

Not so much of a ‘theory’ as an interesting observation, but it could be used to discover new connections between the King of Limbs and Kid A/Amnesiac.

It basically goes something like this: (and I should note here that I’m getting these dates from wikipedia)
-OK Computer was released June 16th, 1997
-The next album, Kid A, was released October 2nd, 2000. The period of time between the two albums was about 40 months.
-In Rainbows, proven to be connected to OK Computer, was released October 10th, 2007
-The King of Limbs was released February 18th, 2011.
The forty month wait between the two albums was repeated.
So here’s where the speculation part comes in.
The King of Limbs has already been described many times as similar in style to Kid A, but if this 40 month connection were intentional, then the similarities probably wouldn’t end there. Also, for anyone still looking for a reason to believe there’s more to come soon, remember that Kid A and Amnesiac were recorded at the same time. I believe it was around 8 months between those two albums, but the music was done well before Amnesiac’s release and Radiohead seems to be pretty forward about us finding clues to King of Limbs’ secrets as of right now.
I wrote about this theory on my Tumblr blog on 2/24/11 here: http://freohr.tumblr.com/
-Freohr

Received by e-mail on 3-24-2011

numbers, man. look at them 8′s:

The King of Limbs:
8th Album.
8 tracks (with 8 Illustrations in the album sleeve and 8 hands around the disc)
18 February (Online Release)
84th day of the year (First Small Release March 25)
28 March (Big Physical Release and Newspaper event with 278 days left in the year)
88th Day of the year (Final Physical Release and Newspaper event, in the US, March 29th)

In Rainbows had stuff with 10′s, but also 7′s.
release date: 10/10/07
10 letters, 10 years after ok computer, 10 tracks….
7th album. 2007. There are 7 colors in a rainbow. rainbow is a 7 letter word.

Maybe their 9th album will involve 9′s.
The Newspaper album does:
It’s shipped on May 9th, the 129th day of the year.

But, who knows?

-turtlebuddymusic.com

 

Received by e-mail on 3-24-2011 Could the band announce a tour soon?

I searched the website for some html or related nuggets, and found two:
The first I see has already been discovered, the hiddent page /phsetwo.
This looks like it is going to be updated with photos of fans all over the world on day of release.

the second I found on the site’s stylesheet, tus.css.
I found there styling for #tourDateInfo. I couldn’t find this element anywhere on the website, so I think there is still some info withheld from us, and that more will be revealed through the website soon enough.

Thanks again for all the effort put into the website!

Adam

Received via e-mail on 3-22-2011

Hi Josh,

My name is Sean (user name greynebula on Atease). It looks like I’m a
little late on sending the two paintings mirrored. I did however take
it a step further. Those two paintings (the early one with what I
originally assumed was a cave and the latest “Friday Woods”) are
clearly the same paintings without a shadow of a doubt. I think my
work shows this a little better, I’ll give you the attachment and a
link to my photobucket. This is why I wanted to mirror it in the first
place…

If there is a sister album or a series of 8 ep’s, I believe that
“Arbor Philosophica”, or at least the sketch above the words, will be
the next. Here is my reasoning…

The sketches inside of the CD book along with the paintings in the
background of the “In The Shed” photo seem like the evolution of cover
art to me. Notice the sketches of the two creatures found in the CD
book. They are above the words “The King Of Limbs”. They are the same
creatures (simple sketch versions) found on one of the paintings in
the background of the “In The Shed” Photo that ultimately became the
cover art for The King Of Limbs. What if that cave in that early
painting is not a cave. What if it’s the trunk of an unfinished tree?
I think the sketch above the words “Arbor Philosophica” may be the
sketch of the cave/trunk in the early painting. Might that be the next
cover art? Feel free to post this idea if you think I may be on to
something. You can use the pictures and my name/user name as well.

photobucket link:
http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad193/shadh5905/paintings.jpg

PS…nice website man. very good job. it’s a lot of fun to visit over
and over and it will be fun to reflect on in the future.

-Sean

Click on image to enlarge

 

Received via e-mail 3-18-2011

Hey mate,
love the site.
I actually check it twice a day!
was checking out the TKOL website just now and noticed something.
don’t know if anyone’s noticed this or if it means anything special, since I’m not a native English speaker.
on the Presale page it says ” Two clear 10″ vinyl records in a purpose-built record sleeve. ”
the “purpose-built” seems a bit odd, I mean they wouldn’t have mentioned the sleeve if it wasn’t anything special.
it sounds like a good proof for the seasonal release theory to me.
let me know what you think.
Cheers,
Behzad

Received via e-mail 3-11-2011

Hey, great site!
My band Turtle Buddy has some theories about Radiohead and The King of Limbs:

The King of Limbs is Radiohead’s 8th Album.
It has 8 tracks.
It was released on February 18th: the Full Moon.

The King of Limbs = 14 letters.
It was announced on February 14th:
Valentines Day.

Part 2 would be their 9th Album.
It could come out on March 19th: the next Full Moon.

The Queen of Diamonds = 18 letters.
It might be announced on March 18th:
one month after The King of Limbs.

This year,
The days and dates of March and February correspond.
For example, both February 18th and March 18th are Fridays.
So, Radiohead has an opportunity to release music 1 month apart.
Radiohead announced that February 19th would be The King of Limbs release,
but it came out on the 18th, initially emphasizing these two dates to the public:
the 18th and the 19th.
Both involve ’8,’ ’9,’ and full moons.

Numbers have seemed significant with In Rainbows too.
In Rainbows (release date): 10/10/07

The 7th album
10 tracks (10 letters)
Announced 10 days before release.
10 years after Ok Computer.

The connection between In Rainbows and Ok Computer leads us to make connections between other Radiohead albums.

With Pablo Honey, Radiohead sprouted their roots which stemmed through The Bends and blossomed into Ok Computer. It displayed their initial, but at the time somewhat muzzled tendencies (under oppressive producers) to experiment and comment, with sound and words, on the clash between human nature and contemporary society (e.g. Anyone Can Play Guitar or Thinking About You). Kid A and Amnesiac (recorded at once and intended to be released together) also mark a starting point, incorporating new, self-controlled styles and sounds that flourish through Hail to the Theif and climax with a liberated In Rainbows. In those stylistic eras, the vigorous, self discovering joints–Hail to the Thief and The Bends–share a common rock energy, experimentation, sonic diversity, and humor.

Regarding the recording of The King of Limbs, Ed wrote: “10 years ago we were all collectively in the land of Kid A.” And now, with The King of Limbs (and really at first with These Are My Twisted Words) Radiohead once again introduces and prepares listeners for a fresh landscape of sounds where vocals, guitars, percussion, and electronic instruments sound like a new kind of groovy, magical, and haunting ensemble.

Challenging critics and refreshing listeners are two things that have made Radiohead fun from the very start, and they accomplished that yet again by ignoring the precedent of releasing music on a determined date when The King of Limbs was released unexpectedly on a friday. Speaking of Fridays and Radiohead’s roots, their original band-name was ‘On a Friday’.

Thanks,
-Turtle Buddy

Received via e-mail 3-10-2011

A crazy but semi-related thought. In November Jonny told two separate interviewers that the album was more than 10 songs. To Rolling Stone he said it was “ten songs, maybe a few more.” If they indeed decided on a 13 song tracklist, that would mean 5 songs didn’t appear on TKOL as we havea it now. In looking at the various parts of the world on the TKOL order page, they have it divided in five parts:

- The Americas
- UK/Ireland
- Europe
- SE Asia
- Rest of the World.

What if each region of the world was going to get a separate individual song and was expected to share in order to make up the full album? This would also go back to Ed’s DAS post (which, btw, was just a week before the release of the album, so they could have possibly been thinking about these channels) about the power of global communcation via twitter and facebook, and reinforces their attempts to make their album releases a shared communal experience in the way it was before music went digital. They could use technology to provide the very experience technology has mostly eradicated. Plus, those who bought the Newspaper album would each have their own unique item that others throughout the world didn’t get.

The reason why I don’t seem them doing this is because that would make the album much longer than they seem to care for these days (though at one point they were clearly considering a tracklisting with close to this number of songs, so who knows), and doesn’t the physical release of the album in stores happen this month? I guess that would kind of kill the possibility of more tracks being a part of this.

But anyway, some wishful thinking on my part that would be kind of fun.

Received this via YouTube on 03/06/2011

We know that Radiohead are numerology geeks. They released In Rainbows (10 letters) on October 10th. The King of Limbs (14 letters) was announced on February 14th and released on the next full moon. Could “The Queen of Diamonds”(18 letters) be waiting to be announced on March 18th? and be released on the 19th’s full moon? That way we would have the King and Queen, as the two figures on the album cover.

Let me know what you think about that, my girlfriend came up with the king and queen being the pictures on the cover!

or if it’s only “Queen of Diamonds” without The, it’s 15 letters, which would then mean Ides of March.

klapsikopatiko

 

Received this e-mail on 03/08/2011

So based on what I’ve been looking at on the internet, the “Queen of Diamonds” serves as Chieftan Mews/the band’s catalyst to awaken them. The Queen of Diamonds reference comes from the movie “The Manchurian Candidate” (go watch the old one with Frank Sinatra, not the Denzel Washington one). MULTIPLE references to the Queen of Diamonds there. Basically in the movie, a former war soldier is brainwashed (turned into a “sleeper” agent), where he has been trained to wake up on command when he sees the Queen of Diamonds…the goal for the brainwashing is that they want the soldier to kill the President. See my MT post for more references: http://mortigitempo.com/really_bored/index.php?/topic/104741-chieftan-mews-lp9-speculation/page__view__findpost__p__3895780

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vTB0DZTC-UE/TWQJx5lCnQI/AAAAAAAAAI0/XKlj-8P41Po/s1600/CM-Twitter-Feed.jpg

Referring to the “I am but a sleep agent” twitter post, Chieftan is telling us he is just like the man in The Manchurian Candidate (a sleeper agent). He will “soon be going back to sleep” because 1 day later after Feb 17th when this twitter was posted, The album was released a day early and he fell back asleep shortly after, which was shown from his posts being deleted – no recollection of past events because he is brainwashed – THE MOST GIGANTIC LYING MOUTH OF ALL TIME.

See my reference here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sing_a_Song_of_Sixpence#Meaning_and_interpretations

Notice the mentioning of “queen symbolizing the moon” in there. Furthermore, notice that the rhyme “sing a song of sixpence” refers to part of the lyrics for Burn The Witch (see the Radiohead scrapbook).

So basically, the Queen of Diamonds = the means by which mews/the band “wake up” (for news, perhaps?), or in other words, when news about further albums/songs is released. The VERY INTERESTING part is that the Queen of Diamonds = the moon phases, therefore the moon phases represent when we will get news on the album/possible album releases. I am VERY certain about this. Other evidence definitely supports it (ims menoo = semi moon, ed’s post, the 2005 calendar with the moon phases, lotus flower lyrics, etc…)

Now I’ll explain why the Sing a song of Sixpence nursery rhyme is relevant/

From the rhyme:

Sing a song of sixpence, (burn the witch lyrics)
A pocket full of rye.
Four and twenty blackbirds,
Baked in a pie. (a reference to the lyrics in faust arp from IR – This makes sense because burn the witch was being worked on during the IR sessions (remember back when they posted the blackboard pictures…)

When the pie was opened,
The birds began to sing; (Prior to the late 16th century, magpies were referred to as “pies” : see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magpie This explains the birds singing at the end of Morning Mr. Magpie)
Wasn’t that a dainty dish,
To set before the king? (king of limbs)

The king was in his counting house,
Counting out his money;
The queen was in the parlour. (queen of diamonds)
Eating bread and honey.

The maid was in the garden,
Hanging out the clothes;
When down came a blackbird
And pecked off her nose. (This part is interesting – the “blackbird” here is likely referring to the magpie, and “pecked off her nose” can be interpreted as “blowing her cover” ala Separator lyrics: Every woman
blows her cover. In the eye of the beholder.” The eye of the beholder refers to the magpie, where british folklore tradition tells of how seeing magpies “predict the future”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Magpie#The_Magpie_rhyme )

The blackbird pecking off the nose is also seen in folklore tradition as a demon “stealing her soul”. Makes sense because in Morning Mr. Magpie, Thom sings about how Mr. Magpie “stole all the magic”…following into Little by Little where Thom goes “turn to nasty now, the dark cell (referencing the demon?)…the pit of my soul, the last one out of the box, the one who broke this spell)

Now that I’m done explaining that, I’ll go into how Henry VIII seems to be a recurring subject with Radiohead for the IR/TKOL recording sessions:

Looking at the Song of Sixpence wiki “meanings and interpretations”, notice that it mentions King Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn

An interesting (and historical) sidenote is this: http://www.savernakeestate.co.uk/history.htm (Savernake Forest – the location of the King of Limbs tree)

The high-water mark of the Savernake Estate’s fortunes was undoubtedly in Elisabethan times. The head of the family (Sir John Seymour) was used to welcoming King Henry VIII to the Forest, where the King was very keen on his deer-hunting. King Henry stayed at Savernake shortly after the execution of Queen Anne Boleyn in 1536, and his eye was then taken by his host’s daughter, Jane. They were subsequently married, and Jane Seymour was crowned Queen just months later, causing the head of the family at Savernake to suddenly find himself father-in-law to Henry VIII.

Notice how they mentioned Jane Seymour becoming queen after Anne Boleyn was executed. I found this regarding her:

http://gen.culpepper.com/archives/uk/places/henry8.htm

Jane Seymour’s House

Just 11 days after Anne Boleyn was executed, Henry married one of her ladies-in-waiting, Jane Seymour, whose family lived in a house called Wolfhall near the Savernake Forest. Wolfhall apparently burnt down during the 17th century and was replaced with a massive Palladian palace known as Tottenham House, built in the 1820s.

Tottenham House = where the band recorded part of IR.

Also look at this:

http://www.rhymes.org.uk/blackbirds-in-a-pie.htm

I know this is a GREAT deal of information to consume, so use it well! Sorry if I didn’t explain something well enough. Just shoot me an email back if you got any questions.

Also, I’d very much appreciate it if you credited me if you choose to add this information to any future posts on your website (just put my first name and last name initial – David Y. , as seen from my email address)

Loving the site, and thanks for all the awesome content!

Cheers,

David Y

Received this as an email on 03/08/2011

Josh,

Love your blog, and it caused me to do some research of my own. The post about the anagram somniloquence popped out to me so I took a shot at decoding it. The interpretation that made the most sense was this: LC IS QUEEN MOON. OK, it didnt make sense at first, but I googled queen moon and found this poem:

Ode To A Nightingale

by: John Keats

My heart aches, and a drowsy numbness pains
My sense, as though of hemlock I had drunk,
Or emptied some dull opiate to the drains
One minute past, and Lethe-wards had sunk:
‘Tis not through envy of thy happy lot,
But being too happy in thine happiness,–
That thou, light-winged Dryad of the trees
In some melodious plot
Of beechen green, and shadows numberless,
Singest of summer in full-throated ease.

O, for a draught of vintage! that hath been
Cool’d a long age in the deep-delved earth,
Tasting of Flora and the country green,
Dance, and Provençal song, and sunburnt mirth!
O for a beaker full of the warm South,
Full of the true, the blushful Hippocrene,
With beaded bubbles winking at the brim,
And purple-stained mouth;
That I might drink, and leave the world unseen,
And with thee fade away into the forest dim:

Fade far away, dissolve, and quite forget
What thou among the leaves hast never known,
The weariness, the fever, and the fret
Here, where men sit and hear each other groan;
Where palsy shakes a few, sad, last gray hairs,
Where youth grows pale, and spectre-thin, and dies;
Where but to think is to be full of sorrow
And leaden-eyed despairs,
Where Beauty cannot keep her lustrous eyes,
Or new Love pine at them beyond to-morrow.

Away! away! for I will fly to thee,
Not charioted by Bacchus and his pards,
But on the viewless wings of Poesy,
Though the dull brain perplexes and retards:
Already with thee! tender is the night,
And haply the Queen-Moon is on her throne,
Cluster’d around by all her starry Fays;
But here there is no light,
Save what from heaven is with the breezes blown
Through verdurous glooms and winding mossy ways.

I cannot see what flowers are at my feet,
Nor what soft incense hangs upon the boughs,
But, in embalmed darkness, guess each sweet
Wherewith the seasonable month endows
The grass, the thicket, and the fruit-tree wild;
White hawthorn, and the pastoral eglantine;
Fast fading violets cover’d up in leaves;
And mid-May’s eldest child,
The coming musk-rose, full of dewy wine,
The murmurous haunt of flies on summer eves.

Darkling I listen; and, for many a time
I have been half in love with easeful Death,
Call’d him soft names in many a mused rhyme,
To take into the air my quiet breath;
Now more than ever seems it rich to die,
To cease upon the midnight with no pain,
While thou art pouring forth thy soul abroad
In such an ecstasy!
Still wouldst thou sing, and I have ears in vain–
To thy high requiem become a sod.

Thou wast not born for death, immortal Bird!
No hungry generations tread thee down;
The voice I hear this passing night was heard
In ancient days by emperor and clown:
Perhaps the self-same song that found a path
Through the sad heart of Ruth, when, sick for home,
She stood in tears amid the alien corn;
The same that oft-times hath
Charm’d magic casements, opening on the foam
Of perilous seas, in faery lands forlorn.

Forlorn! the very word is like a bell
To toll me back from thee to my sole self!
Adieu! the fancy cannot cheat so well
As she is fam’d to do, deceiving elf.
Adieu! adieu! thy plaintive anthem fades
Past the near meadows, over the still stream,
Up the hill-side; and now ’tis buried deep
In the next valley-glades:
Was it a vision, or a waking dream?
Fled is that music:–Do I wake or sleep?

The poem has 8 stanzas (one for each of the 8 tracks,) and keeps the natural and lunar themes of the record. LC is another name for pay-for-download content. The lyrics read side by side with the poem also seem to carry thematic similarities, though most are vague at best. It also keeps with the band’s use of English writers to clue us in. Finally the bird sounds buried in the cover art could be those of a nightingale (that’s merely speculation, though.)

Keats also wrote about Psyche and Amor (or, Cupid, as he is more commonly known,) in a 5 stanza poem called Ode To Psyche. These poems represent two of five odes written by Keats (odes to Melencholy, Autumn and A Grecian Urn being the other three.)

Maybe this helps, maybe not, but either/or best of….

Scott Pittman

Left as a comment on 03/01/2011:

think there’s something happening March 12th, which I hope to be another release of songs. I’m starting to be more convinced that Chieftain Mews is Stanley Donwood, not a member of Radiohead. The title of his site is “No News Is Good News,” paralleling the phrase “No mews is good news” repeated by Mews.

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Donwood’s gallery was originally scheduled to be open from Feb. 17th – Mar. 5th. He put up ads and posters up for it and everything with that date on it, posted as early as Jan. 24th. Note that the gallery opened the day before the album was released.

Suddenly, Feb. 7th he updates the site “The show is to be extended by a week, until the 12th March. I would like to think that this was due to ‘popular demand’, but have to concede that this is not the case.”

March 12th is a half moon, which fits in with the “ims menoo” or “semi-moon” stuff. To me, mew’s “ims menoo, my buck” is him saying that his money’s on the half moon (Mar. 12th) as the release date.

Also, today Radiohead makes its first post, and there were those wall of ice posts “tick” and “tock.” Why today? Not because it’s the first day of the new month, but because 11 days ago TKOL was released, and 11 days from now is March 12th. Today was the halfway point.

 

OK, this is a prediction from inkybrown on Mortigi Tempo (greenplastic.com message board):

“He’s posted (refering to the mystery poster on AtEase message board) posted several images of couples including the 2 ghosts. I think TKOL will be 2 LPs and their “children” will be EPs and singles. Goes with the Queen of diamonds post by Mews.”

Now in my opinion this makes a lot of sense. There could be 2 LP’s with 8 songs each, the first one being “The King Of Limbs”, the second one being the “The Queen Of Diamonds”. Mews, also mentioned “the heart is the king of limbs, and all other limbs are just like soldiers…”. Which could dispell the 2 LP theory, and mean 1 LP (TKOL1), and the rest are EP’s?

Here is one from Nicholas Gray on Mortigi Tempo (greenplastic.com message board):

“Regarding the band pic, they are in the woods, with 2 trees. They are a part of these trees, with Colin being the trunk/body and the rest are limbs. This coincides with the real king of limbs. 3 main bodies, and a bunch of branches. Keyword, 3, and then a lot of branches. The album is a 3 parter with the branches being singles/eps.”

This is by far the best one yet! By autoganz on Mortigi Tempo (greenplastic.com message board):

“I’ve been a lurker, following the discussion since the day it began. I haven’t been able to put my mind elsewhere, so it’s about time I add my own tidbits into this (whether they are a stretch or not is up to you).

1. “Feb 23rd another message: “My bucks, must I go out on a limb here and say more is revealing at Ελληνική οδός? That man: ims menooo! Juicy pre-watching. Beware you not!”"

Reference to Stanley’s exhibit at…

2. Greek Street

3. “Thom” is posting under the pseudonym “Aporia” (Ancient Greek: ἀπορία: impasse; lack of resources; puzzlement; doubt; confusion) denotes, in philosophy, a philosophical puzzle or state of puzzlement, and, in rhetoric, a rhetorically useful expression of doubt.

4. I went about drawing guidelines for the band members based on their body positions as well as the position of their limbs:

5. If you stick to the Greek theme, Thom, Jonny, Colin, and Phil become the Greek letters – λιτλ

6. Google translates λιτλ into “Little”

7. Could Ed’s shape represent a crescent moon? semi moon/ims menoo?

Probably just grasping, but I want to see this thread keep growing limbs.”

How brilliant is this?!

 

-So, here are 3 I am going to work on a time as to when this might happen.

Okay, so Stanley Donwood confirmed in an Interview today that Chieftan Mews twitter account is real. And with all of the other clues, I am 99% sure there will be another release. So here we go:

Feb 24th is a half-moon Nothing happened on this date

March 4th is a New Moon (Friday) Nothing happened on this date

March 12th is a half-moon (Saturday)

March 19th is a Full Moon (Saturday) First 8 songs were released on a Full Moon

March 26th is a Half Moon (Saturday)

Now March 28th is the physical release date for the CD and 12″ Vinyl.

May 9th is when the “Newspaper” edition is set to be shipped.

“The King Of Fail” here

Here are the lyrics to the album here, could there be any hidden messages or clues in them?

 

 

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  • woodhead

    who knows what is behind the wood…who knows what will came from the wood…who knows how many limbs exactly have king of limbs…who knows…?

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  • Little Boots

    An interesting note I recently found, “Codex” apparently has similar if not the same chord progression as the unreleased track “Burn the Witch”. So if my research is correct (I’m on the fence about this.) “Burn the Witch” became “Codex”, they are both similar; piano based songs with an orchestra. Another theory I heard was that “Open the Floodgates” became “Codex”. The vocal melodies are similar and the part in “Open the Floodgates” that says, “hold on” uses the same chords as “Codex”. So maybe “Codex” is the child of “Open the Floodgates” and “Burn the Witch”. These are just thoughts based off what I found. I could be totally off!

  • Alex

    This was to much to read through, so what I’m about to say may already be said. Anyways, remember the secret booklet in your Kid A cds? Take that out for a minute. Let’s review them. For starters lets turn to page 3. Now look at column 2, Line 19. It reads “ZOOM LENS IN THE TREES”. Lets go back to the picture of the band members by the tree. Zoom in and check around. Play with it.

  • vince

    I never felt like there would be a part 2, as nice as it sounds. The album is really complete on its own, detailing a tree’s birth, it’s growth, it’s acceptance and death and then it’s separation, which could allow more life and continue the cycle. It’s also talking about us, as Radiohead does so well, and the “If you think this is over then you’re wrong,” was never a flat out suggestion that there would be a second part, I don’t think RH is that obvious ever. To me it’s saying “Hey, it goes on.” Life, love, others, IDK exactly without further listening, but the album is complete.

  • domille

    Chieftan Mews posted Radiohead/On a Friday – Everybody Lies Trough Their Teeth on last Wednesday, just before the interview with Ed and Colin was released…just a coincidence?

  • Mr Magpie

    well this web site was a bit of a waste of time, now that Radiohead themselves have said there will be no follow up: http://www.nme.com/news/radiohead/56115

  • Toby

    I was wondering about that purpose-built record sleeve also. Makes it sound kind of like the collect-them-all thing Aphex Twin did with his eleven different vinyls for Analord. I guess we’ll all figure out exactly what a Newspaper Album is when it gets released.

  • Matt Williams

    Josh, it’s all making sense. They are going to release four parts to TKOL based on the 4 Elements, beginning with ‘AIR’ recorded backwards in the song Codex.

    It is all to do with Thom’s concerns for the environment possibly in conjunction with the artist Mark Ryden!

    Excerpt from the link below:
    Let’s enjoy some of the pictures from The Tree Show, a work in which Mark Ryden explores his concern of ecological matters and his fascination with trees as a rich source of cross-cultural connotations, and a central figure of classical landscape, without leaving aside his typical macabre and innocent children.
    Check out the picture called Allegory of the Four Elements. The girl with the AIR symbol on her chest has a bird on her head!! Hence all the bird song in the album!
    Could the strange animal head in the tree on the photo of the band stood in the forest be a deer?? The animal for the next element on the painting representing FIRE on the next girls head is a DEER!
    Look at some of Mark Rydens works, one of the pictures depicts a Queen (maybe the queen of diamonds?).
    I could spend all day looking into this but I have got so much work to do. It’s over to you mate, good luck!!!
    http://www.gothic.stir.ac.uk/news/Mark-Ryden-The-Tree-Show/
    Cheers,
    Matt

  • schoon

    Hi.

    Could it be that there is only one album since they could only write one good song (codex)?

  • bluecalx

    interesting theories about the photo on your web page. is it just me or have people missed the significance of the shadow across the photo of the five band members in the wood? it seems to rise from the ground by thom, pass up across his left arm/limb (he seems to hide his right one inside his jacket to avoid it being caught in the shadow), then up through jonny’s raised left limb, across both of colin’s limbs, up through phil’s raised right limb, and reaching an apex at ed, at which point it passes down his sloping limb through his hand and stops at the edge of that grey area, framed by another tree trunk, in which sits a blurred black form in the distance. does this represent some sort of path, perhaps a lunar cycle? and there seem to be small white lines in the right hand foreground leading our eye toward that distance, where the black shape is. is this the path to the album/end product in the distance? ed is definitely pointing toward this black shape, through which the band’s limbs channel a path toward. any theories on this?

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